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This presentation describes eye-witness accounts of numerous healing and other miracles that took place in Bungoma in Kenya, as investigated by Gordon Stanger.

Patrick and Joseph at Bungoma: Eyewitnesses to the Kenya miracles.

Here is his summary:

Some doubt the authenticity of Mark 16:17, 18:

And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

However, for those who act upon these words with child-like faith, this text is validated; these, and other miracles do occur. Some extraordinary miracles occurred in a Christian children’s ministry in a remote part of Kenya, as reported in a book by Jennifer Toledo. These included practical deliverance from the evils of witchcraft, which sound bizarre from our cultural perspective. Gordon happened to be working in that part of Africa, so he made a detour to check out the reality of these miracles, the results of which are reported here.

We also discuss the purpose of such miracles. God’s extraordinary miracles aren’t confined to places ‘far away’ in different cultures. Raf has been walking close to the Lord for many years, here in Australia as well as overseas. He relates some personal testimonies of remarkable healing, words of knowledge, and other modern-day miracles.

The presentation i published on YouTube.

Dr Gordon Stanger is a geologist, hydrologist, water resources specialist, and a climate-change impact analyst. He also spent significant time in Africa, where he came in contact with many people who received miraculous healing or who had other experiences of the miraculous. He is an RFA committee member and is semi-retired.

In a number of passages in the 4 gospels, Jesus claims that he is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets and that the scriptures testify about him. For example, on the road to Emmaus, Jesus joined 2 of his disciples.

Luke states: 25 Jesus said to them,

“O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself. (Luke 24:25-27)

I wonder what scriptures Jesus referred to. It doesn’t explicitly tell us here, but can we find out? We do get some hints. There are a number of Old Testament passages that are cited in the NT as referring to events during Jesus’ ministry, especially his birth, baptism, trial, death, burial, resurrection, ascension and coming again. There are also references in the OT that seem to apply to Jesus even, though they are not cited in the NT. I survey a number of these prophecies. They show how the life of Jesus has always been central to God’s eternal plan. They also demonstrate that the scriptures are God-breathed and inspired by God.

The presentation is published on YouTube.

Dr Kevin Rogers

Dr Kevin Rogers is the director of Reasonable Faith Adelaide. After a 40-year engineering career, he was a Research Fellow and lecturer with the University of South Australia but is now mainly retired.

The apostle Paul encouraged believers to work with their hands so that they could give to those who are in need.

However, much of our giving supports church ministry, particularly paying the wages of full-time Christian workers. In addition, there are numerous para-church organizations who frequently appeal for money to support their ministry. There is a lot of competition for the Christian dollar. Is financial support for Christian ministry diverting funds away from the poor?

Paul says that gospel workers deserve financial support, but he did not exercise that right. Paul and his co-workers worked with their hands to supply for their own needs and offered the gospel free of charge. They did this to not be a burden on anyone and to be an example to others. And what was Jesus’ approach? This presentation also covers the historical development of church organisations from

• voluntary shared leadership from elders, to

• power and control centred on the bishop.

This was changed somewhat during the reformation, with emphasis on the priesthood of all believers, but do we have the balance right, and should unpaid lay Christians be more involved in church ministry rather than relying on the minister/pastor to do it on our behalf?

The presentation is pulish on YouTube.

Dr Kevin Rogers

Dr Kevin Rogers is the director of Reasonable Faith Adelaide. After a 40-year engineering career, he was a Research Fellow and lecturer with the University of South Australia but is now mainly retired.

In a previous video at    • Is Jesus God – by Kevin Rogers   I considered the topic “Is Jesus God?” This topic is related.

During the first 300-400 years after Jesus’ ministry, the early church formalised the doctrine of the trinity and finalised what books would be included in the New Testament canon. The orthodox believed that there was one God in 3 persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Christ is eternally pre-existent, divine and became incarnate as a human being through the virgin Mary. However. the orthodox position was strongly contested by a range of ‘heresies’. There were those who taught:

• Jesus was just a man and was neither pre-existent nor divine (e.g., the Ebionites),

• Jesus was a man, but was adopted as son of God at his baptism or resurrection (adoptionism), or

• Jesus Christ was divine, but his humanity was an illusion (Docetism)

All of these positions deny either Christ’s divinity or humanity.

In “The orthodox corruption of scripture”, Bart Ehrmann claimed that, when copying the New Testament manuscripts, orthodox scribes modified (corrupted) some of the New Testament text to strengthen the orthodox position and refute the heretics. These variants were sometimes introduced prior to the earliest extant manuscripts thus creating uncertainty regarding what the original authors wrote. Textual criticism is the science of resolving the differences between the New Testament manuscripts to recover what the New Testament authors actually wrote. What Bart Ehrmann is saying is true to a degree. There are variants where scholars debate which is the original and you can see them in the Biblical footnotes (some manuscripts …). I go through some examples and then discuss the following issues:

• How bad is the uncertainty in our knowledge of the what the authors wrote?

• Does it affect our beliefs or theology?

• Does it affect the historicity of the Biblical accounts?

The presentation is published on YouTube.

Dr Kevin Rogers

Dr Kevin Rogers is the director of Reasonable Faith Adelaide. After a 40-year engineering career, he was a Research Fellow and lecturer with the University of South Australia but is now mainly retired.

On the 12th September 2024, Kevin Rogers presented a talk on “Is Jesus God?”

Orthodox Christians claim that Jesus Christ was pre-existent and is both man and divine. The doctrine of the Trinity is that there are 3 persons, but one God. However, the term ‘Trinity’ is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible. So: What are the arguments for Christ’s divinity? How did the doctrine of the trinity develop? What were the alternative beliefs? What do current unorthodox sects believe? Is belief in the Trinity necessary or helpful, or Is the doctrine of the Trinity unnecessary baggage?

The video presentation is published on YouTube.

Dr Kevin Rogers

Dr Kevin Rogers is the director of Reasonable Faith Adelaide. After a 40-year engineering career, he was a Research Fellow and lecturer with the University of South Australia but is now mainly retired.

On the 8th August Brian Schroeder gave a presentation on on “what does it mean for the Bible to be inspired by God?”

Penn Jillette has said: “I think that anyone who is thinking about maybe being an atheist, if you read the Bible or the Koran or the Torah cover to cover I believe you will emerge from that as an atheist. You could read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, you can read God is Not Great by Hitchens, but the Bible itself will turn you atheist faster than anything.”

And yet we frequently find in practice it works out exactly the opposite of that. Many people have picked up this book & read it and heard, as it were, the voice of God speaking directly to them from its pages & have come to God rather than being driven to atheism. They find in its pages hope and truth and life. Christians claim that the Bible is inspired by God. What exactly does that mean, and what are the implications of such a belief?

Brian’s presentation is available on YouTube.

Brian Schroeder

Brian Schroeder is a Reasonable Faith committee member. He has BSc and BA degrees from Adelaide University (Computer Science, Physics, Mathematics), and an MA in Theology.

On the 11th July Bronwyn Pearse spoke on a Christian perspective on the occult.

In the Western post Christian era, the 21st century has seen an upsurge in people exploring spiritual experiences. How should the 21st century Christian view Occult practises? Are they harmless, as some argue, or do they really hold potential power?

Does the Bible say anything them? C.S Lewis himself said “We cannot biblically dismiss the reality of external, personal evil forces diametrically opposed to the kingdom of God; ones which actively work against the one who came to bring humans life in all its fullness- mind, body and spirit.”

This talk explores what today’s Occult practices look like and what the Bible says about Ghosts.

Bronwyn’s talk is available on YouTube.

Bronwyn Pearse is a primary school teacher and a Christian. Bronwyn has personally found that apologetics has strengthened her faith and helped her to answer questions from unbelievers on the problem of evil, how Christianity is unique amongst the world religions and how science and faith connect.

On the 27th June, Stephen White spoke on the Pentecostal/charismatic movement.

At the Global Christian Forum in Accra, Ghana, 16-20 April 2024, Dr. Gina Zurlo, co-director of the Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, pointed to the surprising statistic that today 44% of Protestant Christians reside in Africa:

“The Pentecostal Charismatic Movement, originating in the early 20th century, has become a hallmark of Global South faith, encompassing diverse manifestations within classical Pentecostalism, the Catholic Charismatic Movement, and other charismatic movements. Wherever Christianity spread, and in the 20th century, the Pentecostal charismatic movement spread with it. It appears that the future of global Christianity seems to be Pentecostal.”

The Pentecostal Charismatic movement hails back to the founding of the church on the Jewish Harvest Festival Feast of Weeks, 50 days after Passover (7 weeks or 50 days Pentecostal in Greek) when Jesus died and rose again. From that time many miracles were performed by the Apostles and other members of the church. The first one was speaking the gospel in languages understood by Jews from other parts of the world gathered for the festival.

In St Paul’s first recorded letter to the Corinthian church, about 55AD, he lists the charismatic gifts and places some restrictions on how they should be used in orderly church meetings.

After the completion of the recognized New Testament books recordings of miraculous signs seemed to lapse until just over 100 years ago when they burst out at the Azusa Street revival in Los Angeles in 1906.

Since then, the Pentecostal Charismatic movement has spread widely particularly in Africa and Latin America, as well as in Australia and the USA.

R.T. Kendall, former minister at Westminster Chapel in London, has said that the Word Churches and Spirit Churches have much to learn from each other, and both recent Popes have encouraged their flock to encourage the charismatic movement in the Catholic church.

Stephen’s talk is available on YouTube.

Stephen White

Stephen White has had a career as a physicist and is now retired. He has been a very supportive member of the Reasonable Faith Adelaide committee for a number of years.

On the 13th June 2024, Trevor Harris spoke on fulfilled prophecies.

Biblical prophecy demonstrates a truth about God and the future. It reveals that God is not defined or limited by time as we know it.

God said to Isaiah that he would declare “the end” from “the beginning”. Many biblical prophets were not welcomed by the populace in their lifetime, but their writings are found in the Scriptures because their truth was vindicated.

Trevor discussed the following questions:

  • What does it mean that “The Spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus”? (Rev 19:10)
  • What is the evidence and probability that these prophecies were fulfilled?
  • How many OT prophecies are found in the NT?
  • Why is there a swell in interest in modern times for prophetic topics?
  • Why are some people describing recent events as “end times”?

Trevor’s talk is available on YouTube.

Trevor Harris has an Honours degree in Architecture and a Masters degree in Urban and Regional Planning. He has practiced in these areas for 45 years. Twenty years ago, he formed a company called ‘Key-line Christian Research’ which is dedicated to identifying and researching Bible sites and their history. This has included extensive field trips to the Middle East.

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On Thursday, the 23rd of May Gordon Stanger spoke on “We are saved (Thank God). Now what?”.

Here is a summary:

For the most part today’s Christian disciples are a pale and insipid shadow of the powerful and dynamic discipleship that we read about in the book of Acts. Is it commonplace for us to go into hostile places to teach people about Christ, and to validate our testimony by the power of God in practical and dramatic ways? Do we:

  • Heal the blind and the lame,
  • Cleanse the sick,
  • Cast out demons,
  • Raise the dead,
  • hear God and act upon his word on a daily basis, or
  • utilize the gifts of prophesy, discernment, and words of knowledge?

Generally, no, we don’t. Are we, Jesus’s contemporary disciples, actively involved in spiritual warfare? If not, then what is the meaning of “Deliver us from evil?”

Outside the church the dominant culture has a one-word summary of the church – irrelevant!  So much of church leadership is tradition-bound, inward looking, self-serving, status-quo-retaining and bereft of the Holy Spirit’s power. It is largely tepid, clueless and faithless.

Inside the church we do a lot of good stuff with loving intent. But the good can be the enemy of the best. Fund-raising car boot sales, social outreach, and all manner of good works are all very well, but that’s not at the heart of what Jesus trained and commissioned his disciples to do.

There’s a lot more than just being saved. We are commissioned as foot-soldiers of the Lord’s army, to do his bidding for His kingdom. I’m still a novice in this warfare, but I suggest that His disciples engage in much more proactive activities that will involve closeness to the Lord, deeper faith, faster personal growth, advancement of the Kingdom, and many other benefits. The days of “irrelevance” are over!

Gordon’s talk is available on YouTube.

Dr Gordon Stanger is a geologist, hydrologist, water resources specialist, and a climate-change impact analyst. He is an RFA committee member and is semi-retired.